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« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2009, 03:13:16 AM »
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Doug, this is not a theory. The research has references by lots of intellectual minds. This is truth and the truth victorous!

Russian unvestigations show that the Atlantic basin is unstable. They took samples of the seabed suggesting that 10,000 years ago the mid-Atlantic ridge was above the surface of the Atlantic. Cores found at the12,000 feet level carry life forms usually seen in fresh-water lakes and sediment found in shallow water and upon dry land. Just as underwater debris can be raised to great heights above sea level to form mountain chains, the reverse is also true. (There are mistakes few thousand years in the some researches. According modern data the event happened about 12,500 years ago K.M.)
Prof. Hans Pettersson, leader of the Swedish Albatross expeditions, which extracted hundreds of samples from the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean throughout the 1930's, stated that the Mid-Atlantic Ridge was mainly above water as recently as 15,000 years ago. A similar conclusion had been reached earlier by the German Gauss expedition, which sounded the Romanche Deep in 1901.
In 1936, Charles S. Piggot's famous U.S. Geological Survey of deep core soundings indicated that the Mid-Atlantic Ridge reached above the surface of the ocean 10,000 to 20,000 years ago. (12,500÷24,500 K.M.). Different sediment deposits on each side of the Ridge showed that the Ridge once separated two currents moving in opposite directions. Heavy deposits of volcanic ash on both slopes were dated at 12,000 years ago. (Piggot, 1937)
Still another oceanographic expedition, Swedish Deep-Sea Expedition of 1947-1948, yielded core samples containing sand from the Romanche Deep along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. Dr. Otto Mellis did not publish these findings until ten years later (Mellis, 1958). Other geologists have guardedly admitted that the Azore Islands (Central Atlantic) are composed chiefly of continental material, some even conceding that there might be enough continental material (sial) in the mid-Atlantic to make up a landmass the size of Spain (de Camp, 1970). This is not much smaller than the size I have been proposing for the island of Atlantis.                                       
http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/survey.html
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« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2009, 12:23:38 PM »
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Doug, this is not a theory. The research has references by lots of intellectual minds. This is truth and the truth victorous!

Hello K.M.

Technically I believe it is still a theory, especially as we do not see any sort of consensus forming around it, not that scientific consensus would automatically propel it beyond the status of theory.

Russian unvestigations show that the Atlantic basin is unstable. They took samples of the seabed suggesting that 10,000 years ago the mid-Atlantic ridge was above the surface of the Atlantic. Cores found at the12,000 feet level carry life forms usually seen in fresh-water lakes and sediment found in shallow water and upon dry land. Just as underwater debris can be raised to great heights above sea level to form mountain chains, the reverse is also true. (There are mistakes few thousand years in the some researches. According modern data the event happened about 12,500 years ago K.M.)
Prof. Hans Pettersson, leader of the Swedish Albatross expeditions, which extracted hundreds of samples from the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean throughout the 1930's, stated that the Mid-Atlantic Ridge was mainly above water as recently as 15,000 years ago. A similar conclusion had been reached earlier by the German Gauss expedition, which sounded the Romanche Deep in 1901.
In 1936, Charles S. Piggot's famous U.S. Geological Survey of deep core soundings indicated that the Mid-Atlantic Ridge reached above the surface of the ocean 10,000 to 20,000 years ago. (12,500÷24,500 K.M.). Different sediment deposits on each side of the Ridge showed that the Ridge once separated two currents moving in opposite directions. Heavy deposits of volcanic ash on both slopes were dated at 12,000 years ago. (Piggot, 1937)
Still another oceanographic expedition, Swedish Deep-Sea Expedition of 1947-1948, yielded core samples containing sand from the Romanche Deep along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. Dr. Otto Mellis did not publish these findings until ten years later (Mellis, 1958). Other geologists have guardedly admitted that the Azore Islands (Central Atlantic) are composed chiefly of continental material, some even conceding that there might be enough continental material (sial) in the mid-Atlantic to make up a landmass the size of Spain (de Camp, 1970). This is not much smaller than the size I have been proposing for the island of Atlantis.                                       
http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/survey.html
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You did not post the specific source of the Russian studies and much of the research you have cited seems rather antiquated. Plate tectonics, another more recent theory reaching scientific consensus, was not even in the developmental stages. My guess is that these theories hold little credibility in today's scientific community, although I would be pleased if you could cite more recent studies still supporting these theories. Does de Camp also propose that the region had breached the ocean's surface or does he merely state the existence of continental material? If he does support a mid-Atlantic breaching, does he concur with these other studies, placing the period at 10-20,000 years in the past?

I know that much of the sediment that has come to rest on the seafloor has been deposited from continental drainage through normal river flow as well as flooding. The ice age is also responsible for the dispersal of a rather large amount of continental material. We have continental shelves 2 miles deep with this material, the fact that we can find a layer of a few hundred feet or so making its way to the mid-Atlantic through the flow of oceanic currents does not seem that unreasonable to me.

Also via the goldenageproject link:
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A brief compilation of evidence to encourage further scientific research and analysis of the issues by specialists to prove or disprove the O'Brien THESIS of the recent existence of a large Mid-Atlantic Ridge island centred on the Azores.

Of course none of this in any way disproves your theory and even though I perceive some problems with it, I am very impressed with the extensive amount of research and intelligent reasoning you have put into it.

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« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2009, 02:32:09 PM »
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Technically I believe it is still a theory, especially as we do not see any sort of consensus forming around it, not that scientific consensus would automatically propel it beyond the status of theory.

Scientific consensus needs investigations of the sunken citadel. If Atlantis City really ever existed, modern coordinates of the golden temple which lies beneath the ocean are that: Latitude: 37:16 N, Longitude: 25:03 W. video Report around the golden temple remains would be conclusive evidence and consensus about real Atlantis. Before the future video report we can discuss endless. Who is ready to spend money for future investigation? Before our scientist are thinking and discussing, underwater robbers can rise billions of dollars!
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« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2009, 05:04:24 PM »
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Scientific consensus needs investigations of the sunken citadel. If Atlantis City really ever existed, modern coordinates of the golden temple which lies beneath the ocean are that: Latitude: 37:16 N, Longitude: 25:03 W. video Report around the golden temple remains would be conclusive evidence and consensus about real Atlantis. Before the future video report we can discuss endless. Who is ready to spend money for future investigation? Before our scientist are thinking and discussing, underwater robbers can rise billions of dollars!
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I wouldn't go throwing around those coordinates so casually with a guy named schattenjager ("treasure hunter") lurking about.   Smiley

The type of recovery you are talking about would cost millions and be an extremely risky undertaking on many levels. How many vessels, aside from military, are actually capable of performing a search and excavation at over a mile beneath the ocean? Maybe a dozen? A few dozen? I really do not know, but private treasure hunters like Mel Fisher (no relation, but it would probably be worth my while to confirm) salvage treasure at less than 100 foot depths. An unscrupulous individual of the sort that you are fearing would more likely pursue an activity with far fewer risks, like hijacking oil freighters in the Indian Ocean.

If someone were to find treasure at your posited site for the city, it would likely be a legitimate salvage crew possessing the right assortment of expensive and extremely sophisticated high tech equipment. I doubt you have much to fear.

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« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2009, 10:10:38 AM »
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Interesting background reading here:

http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PLATETEC/SpreadCtrs.HTM


"By a route obscure and lonely, Haunted by ill angels only,
Where an Eidolon, named Night, On a black throne reigns upright,
I have reached these lands but newly From an ultimate dim Thule —
From a wild weird clime, that lieth, sublime, Out of Space — out of Time." --Edgar Allen Poe
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« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2009, 12:20:31 PM »
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The link http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PLATETEC/SpreadCtrs.HTM  is very interesting.

In addition I want to say that age between main slabs boundaries changes of 7000 to 13,000 years. Thus within few seconds we can see the events for 50,000 years. Alfred Wegener was absolutely right about the drifting.
Modern explanation is that:
New COSMOGEOLOGICAL THEORY and modern explanation about COSMOGEOLOGICAL CATASTROPHIC PLATE TECTONICS:
A GLOBAL FLOOD MODEL OF EARTH HISTORY
 
-Cosmogeological PLATE TECTONICS supports gradualism (slowly drifting) within peaceful periods only.
-Cosmogeological PLATE TECTONICS supports rapid drifting (global oscillation and rapid drifting of 100 to 1500 km after slowly EB geo-transfers [penetrations - mantle plumes] ) within few days, every 7000-13000 years. (Noah’s flood-Gilgamesh’s flood) Each similar flood had been connected to the basinal extinctions.
-Cosmogeological PLATE TECTONICS supports rapid CATASTROPHIC PLATE TECTONICS after asteroid impacts and rapid EB geo-transfers (rapid movement of outer nucleus masses into asthenosphere). It produces rapid global movement of continental platforms and rapid subduction, obduction, overfolding thin lithosphere platforms. It means rapid global destruction and folding-rugosity almost all oceans’ platforms. Connected to the global extinction boundaries like K/T extinction event.

http://www.cosmogeology.ge/chapter-18.htm

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« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2009, 04:56:36 PM »
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1) Gravity is still considered a "theory" in scientific context so the notion that an ancient, unproven, sunken city is suddenly an unreproachable fact seems kind of askew.
2) If Atlantis, the most sought after city probably in history (aside from possibly the fantastic Seven Cities of Gold maybe) were positively identified and found, don't you think that it would be pretty big news? People would be parked out in the ocean and supposed coordinates trying to secure salvage rights, get their share of whatever is down there, etc. That hasn't happened.
3) Plate Techtonics doesn't work that way. While it is entirely possible that the Atlantic Ocean floor may rise and fall I seriously doubt that it rises and falls miles up and down. The Atlantic Ocean is so deep at its center that it would take a lot of upheaval to result in actual surface land appearing there.
4) As evidenced by physical features of Iceland, the mid-atlantic floor is splitting apart. If there were a large landmass there, it would now be two landmasses, not one. Additionally, there are no portions of the Atlantic (including the Ridge) that could create a large island-like mass, even if the floor of the ocean were to rise up due to Magma pressure.
5) I finally read the "scientific" paper you sent me and, beyond anything else, I am left with the impression that whoever wrote it tried to string as many scientific thoughts and concepts together as possible in an attempt to confuse the reader. Individual pieces of it make sense. The earth is, in fact, made up of a core surrounded by magma with a crust on top and yes, the plates of the earth do move beyond that, it's largerly incomprehensible.
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« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2009, 11:05:19 PM »
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It means that you have suspect about lots of intellectual minds – references of the research as well but have no suspect about “To insist that Plato's version of the Atlantis legend is gospel is to assume perfect translation of myth for not only hundreds of years but thousands of years through oral tradition alone. Impossible? no, just highly unlikely. It would make the Atlantis legend the most accurately transmitted oral story ever told” that has support only your mind. There is nothing for you what greatest intellects thinking about. For similar category of people is written that “seeing is believing”. I can’t make up intellectual medicine for you. For years you have to wait future video report from the sunken pre-flood citadel. Doug was absolutely right! “The type of recovery you are talking about would cost millions and be an extremely risky undertaking on many levels.”

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« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2009, 11:27:53 AM »
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I want to recommend you to see soon, after few month new cinema on future global geo-catastrophe “2012”. You can see what will happen after few centuries, Future αώ in 2,400 ± 50!: global oscillation of all platforms, huge flood and formation of giant fissures, mass extinction of mammals’ kingdom, destruction of cities and lands. Impacts of fiery asteroids are fantasy of filmmakers. Fiery debris of volcanic activity would be much more plausible explanation. 
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« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2009, 10:30:40 AM »
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K.Margiani, what are your thoughts about the possibility that the Icelandic or "Thule" land bridge between Europe via the British Isles, Iceland, and Greenland, extending to the Americas, actually sunk much later than the 15,000,000 BP that geologists state today as the official theory?

How sound are the methods they used to date that sinking?  And how conclusive is the claim?

"By a route obscure and lonely, Haunted by ill angels only,
Where an Eidolon, named Night, On a black throne reigns upright,
I have reached these lands but newly From an ultimate dim Thule —
From a wild weird clime, that lieth, sublime, Out of Space — out of Time." --Edgar Allen Poe
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« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2009, 01:46:48 PM »
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Every 7,000-13,000 years global geo-catastrophe attacks the Earth's surface  that produces global changes of continental outlines - shores. Penetration of 6000 km3 fiery masses from outer nucleus into asthenosphere (EB geo-transfer) make up uplift some plates above the sea level and sinking other ones.
For 15,000,000 years happened lots of  periodic global geo-catastrophes. Only one force of the universe could create that "Thule" land bridge between Europe via the British Isles, Iceland, and Greenland, extending to the Americas. Name of the dangerous geo-force is EB geo-transfer. According cosmogeological theory the land bridge is quite plausible explanation that has support of expensive researches. Usually mistake of a million years no problem for similar age. If mainstream scientists have true theory, cosmogeological theory always has clue for their theory. Claim is conclusive due to connected to the expensive researches. Each research has exactly dating  problems.
→αώ→   2,400± 50 A.D
→αώ1→ 12,500± 75 B.P.
→αώ2→ (24,533÷24,510) ± 116 B.P.
→αώ3→ 34,600± 400 B.P.
→αώ4→ 41,400± 600 B.P.
→αώ5→ 54,000±1,000 B.P.

Dating mistakes closely connected to the age of the investigated period.

I’m glad about the official theory. It means soon the Mid-Atlantic continent theory will become official theory as well!

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« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2009, 10:30:20 AM »
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Doug!
Please keep the papers I’ve sent for you.
Bumgartner is greatest intellectual but I have advanced research with my comments. Each reader who knows Geology can understand everything. I tried to explain Bumgartner’s finding much detailier. http://www.cosmogeology.ge/chapter-18.htm
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« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2009, 11:13:02 AM »
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I don’t agree to the official point of view about Ignatius Loyola Donnelly: quack historian, charlatan, populist writer, fringe scientist. Yes Donnelly’s Atlantis is too big by comparison real terrain. http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/ataw/index.htm There are unacceptable topics as well but that was first try to describe widely pre-flood power.  Donnelly could not prove geological possibility of formation and disappearance of Atlantis islands. In the XXI sentury we have exactly geological explanation about similar event. I’m sure in the encyclopedias none will read about me similar words in future. 

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« Reply #43 on: July 30, 2009, 04:48:56 PM »
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I still fail to see what landmass would have risen to form the Atlantean continent. In the case of the Thule landbridge, there is a distinct shelf under the water that, were water levels low enough as happened during previous Ice Ages, could emerge from the surface of the water. Your theory would require not the lowering of the water level but the rising of the ocean floor itself by miles. This iquite different than the rising of the Thule Land Bridge, the Bering Land Bridge, the DeGeer Land Bridge or any other submerged land mass. I just don't see it.
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« Reply #44 on: July 31, 2009, 10:07:17 AM »
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It produces mantle plumes – penetration about 6000km3 igneous liquid masses from outer nucleus (E) into asthenosphere(B),  EB geo-transfer. As a side effect it produces independent rotation of huge solid, metallic and magnetic nucleus (G), reversal event proved by many researches. EB geo-transfers (http://www.cosmogeology.ge/chapter-25.htm) make up huge wave deformation and diferent faults of the whole crust (platformes and slabs) above liquid asthenosphere. Each event every 7000-13000 years produces uplifting of some lithosphere plates and sinking other ones because of enormous global pressure under the crust and huge wave-deformation of the crust all over the Earth. Destruction of old isostatic balance fully changes continental outlines. For decades gradually changing of the shores of all continents are continuing before formation new stable isostatic balance. I have huge proofs pre-flood and post-flood excellent maps made by unknown Atlantis geographers. Your friend Doug can help you to see the maps.
For last 15 million years global interaction by surrounded continents every 7000-13000 years could make up lots of formation (uplifting - rising of the ocean floor itself by miles) and disappearance (submerging) of Atlantis’ islands.
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