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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2009, 12:39:18 AM »
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I edited my earlier post as it was overly dismissive of the possibility of the coexisting mid-Atlantic continent and two islands on the Newfoundland Shelf. Still I maintain my doubts on this aspect of your theory especially since it relies on a rudimentary map of questionable legitimacy and accuracy produced by a man who was known to accept forged artifacts as genuine. Not to mention that, based on extant maps, this would have been a major leap in ancient Egyptian cartographic abilities. But seeing as my writings partially endorse the legitimacy of ancient maps of Antarctica, who am I to judge.   Smiley

Penetration of fiery liquid magma masses from outer nucleus into Asthenosphere 12,500 years ago was dead full event. Some platforms had been shifted about 1,500km. American continents had shifted to the north-west. Africa and Asia had north shift mainly. Overridden of American continents on the west sea-floor produced kilometers-high tsunamis within the Pacific Ocean. water could overcome the Andes passes and pre-flood megalithic constructions within modern Peru and Bolivia had been destroyed.  Atlantic sea-floor had increased but attack of the tsunami from the  north and south Oceans and through central american side happened of course. The EB penetration produced readjustment of isostatic balance between main platforms and lots of slabs some plates within other oceans had been uplifted. Some land platforms like Atlantis (INSULA POSEIDIA and other 9 islands) were sinking by this time.

Allowing that such an event were possible, this seems a reasonable explanation of water displacement through the sinking and uplifting of various plates; restoration of an equilibrium.

Anyway, I am very interested in the direction this thread is now going. The genetic and linguistic approaches to tracing us back to Atlantis is new to me, but does appear to be a logical concept that a person should consider when positing a new site for Atlantis.

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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2009, 02:00:08 PM »
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Doug I'm glad about the edited earlier post. we can discuss endless. My research is huge proof about Atlantis. Still mankind never had, information something like this!
"rudimentary map of questionable legitimacy and accuracy" almost repeats relief of Azores-Atlantis plateau made by sonar, within sunken tarrain 12,500 years ago. Two pre-flood islands on the Newfoundland Shelf almost repeats sonar image as well.
I’ve tried many maps but only Kircher’s map could explain many secrets. I want to say that the map maybe slowly stretched during difficult millenniums but exactly connected to the sunken terrain. Of course the Kircher’s map much more plausible and near to the truth as well as the decoded map by me. Outlines of main three islands on the map are approximately but the map shows almost real territories of the sunken kingdom. Eastern part of North America was uplifted by the global interaction and coastal zone was very different by comparison to the modern maps. The line to the mainland shows pre-flood coastal zone of the uplifted platform after global drift and huge interaction. Disappearance of the Great Britain and approximately outlines of eastern continental platforms have interesting explanation. Much more attention had only Atlantis for ancient geographer. The geographer did not forget even volcanoes and rivers. Coastal lines painted especially attentively. We can observe even pre-flood bays. Directions of the rivers are absolutely right from Mid-Atlantic ridge to the pre-flood coastal zone.  The Atlantis formed by huge pressure of surrounded thick platforms. Atlantis as a marine power had influence over the many pre-flood small and big (continental) islands. Even Easter Islands, Andes, Egypt, Mesopotamia, India and other places have the Atlantian-tracks. Prof. Charles H. Hapgood said greatest truth: “there had been early developed ancient mother culture, which had contacts to the all other developing cultures all over the Earth”.
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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2009, 03:29:21 AM »
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CLUE!
Have you ever seen warm lake in the Island. The people like swimming there especially during winters. We can remember Plato's description about  different warm lakes for the people and horses. Warm lake on the land is conclusive evidence. It means the fiery asthenosphere is very near! It proves that the Island and Atlantis (Insula Poseidia) are similar geological structures, near the asthenosphere and at the mid-ocean ridge. Thus we came to the very interesting clue. Main island of Atlantis  Insula Poseidia situated by the mid-ocean ridge and near the asthenosphere.
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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2009, 01:28:16 PM »
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Atlantis was union of 10 kingdoms. Within Insula Poseidia situated 5 or 6 kingdom as a minimum. They were looking for a king's bride among women of all the lands (within 10 kingdoms and agriculture and hunting colonies among Atlantians) known to them. Bride among the almost wild and naked people worldwide unacceptable. We've known about most famous 3 agriculture colonies: Egypt, Mesopotamia and Hindu-Sarasvati. their rulers and elite were Atlantians.
"In this way the Atlantean royal family (according to the Saga) was continuously improving itself, "   It would be impossible wedding to wild  woman.
"Or cultures influenced by Atlantean ideas in architecture, culture, etc.  Possibly just via trade contact." they were traveling to study all continents by the pre-flood time. Trading to the wild tribes unacceptable. they could observing or teaching.

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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2009, 04:35:41 PM »
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Atlantis was union of 10 kingdoms. Within Insula Poseidia situated 5 or 6 kingdom as a minimum. They were looking for a king's bride among women of all the lands (within 10 kingdoms and agriculture and hunting colonies among Atlantians) known to them. Bride among the almost wild and naked people worldwide unacceptable. We've known about most famous 3 agriculture colonies: Egypt, Mesopotamia and Hindu-Sarasvati. their rulers and elite were Atlantians.
"In this way the Atlantean royal family (according to the Saga) was continuously improving itself, "   It would be impossible wedding to wild  woman.
"Or cultures influenced by Atlantean ideas in architecture, culture, etc.  Possibly just via trade contact." they were traveling to study all continents by the pre-flood time. Trading to the wild tribes unacceptable. they could observing or teaching.

What are your sources on Atlantean attitudes toward non-Atlanteans?  That doesn't seem to agree with the Siculus quote I posted, about "humanity toward their fellow men".

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« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2009, 10:55:49 AM »
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Quote - What are your sources on Atlantean attitudes toward non-Atlanteans?  That doesn't seem to agree with the Siculus quote I posted, about "humanity toward their fellow men".
Fighting against each other within Atlantis kingdoms had been prohibited according Poseidia's laws. Many wild tribes were working for Atlantians kingdoms all over the Earth before the last global flood. Atlantians have no enemy-kingdom. Their main interest had connected to solve feeding problems, supply of Atlantians houses and transparent temples by best limestone and stone blocks and to deal Each kingdom by Gold, silver, platinum, cooper and other metals. Wild people did not know what is a money. they could be working for feeding only. Mainly wild tribes were free. only small percent of them were working for Atlantis before the last global flood boundary. Their main interest had been connected to teach wild workers, how they could work for Atlantis. Of course they could fighting against wild tribes that could attack their agriculture  or hunting colonies as well as limestone or stone processing settlements. Of course a wild tribe had no chance against atlantian's advanced weapons. Fighting against Atlantis by wild tribes of proto-Greeks unacceptable wrong. Their wild tribes had no chance and conected to the political fairy-tale! Plato was partially right only. Right is translated real story about Atlantis by Egiptian priest(s).
Atlantians' favorite places were islands. All pre-flood islands were much more peaceful places without dangerous carnivorous predators (lions, mostodones, tigers, giant short-faced bear, etc) and without tribes of wild hunters as well. Megalithic track of atlantians have even Easter islands in the Pacific Ocean.
Ancient sources about Osiris, Isis, Sarasvaty, Oannes are conclusive evidences about their attitudes toward non-Atlanteans.
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« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2009, 10:32:19 PM »
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Your version has no support by main ancient sources.

You identify a circular structure at the bottom of the North Atlantic as Atlantis' capital city. Is the circular shape addressed by a source aside from Plato's dialogues? And if it is borrowed from Plato, how did you reconcile your 102-kilometer diameter site to the specified 21-stadia or 3.88 km diameter?

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« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2009, 12:48:29 AM »
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http://www.cosmogeology.ge/chapter-25.htm
“There were (rings) two of land and three of water, which he turned as with a lathe, each having its circumference equidistant every way from the centre”. “Now the largest of the zones into which a passage was cut from the sea was three stadia in breadth, and the zone of land which came next of equal breadth; but the next two zones, the one of water, the other of land, were two stadia, and the one which surrounded the central island was a stadium only in width.”
“Looking towards the sea, but in the centre of the whole island, there was a plain which is said to have been the fairest of all plains and very fertile. Near the plain again, and also in the centre of the island at a distance of about fifty stadia, there was a mountain not very high on any side.”
(In the centre of the “inland -insula Poseidia” the mountain should be thousand stadia (as a minimum) distance far away from ocean. The bad translation indicates approximately size of the central mountain. Looking towards the sea from the mountain not very high on any side and thousand stadia (205km) distance far away seems to be impossible. K.M.)
“And beginning from the sea they bored a canal of three hundred feet in width and one hundred feet in depth and fifty stadia in length, which they carried through to the outermost zone, making a passage from the sea up to this, which became a harbor, and leaving an opening sufficient to enable the largest vessels to find ingress”.
(Plato’s mix up of the city’s smaller central island to the main island-“inland is very interesting. The Atlantic floor indicates destroyed circular contour of the city island (D≈100km).The huge canal should be (L≈225-25-11) Egyptian-Atlantian stadia in length to reach the citadel.
“Now the largest of the zones into which a passage was cut from the sea was three stadia in breadth, and the zone of land which came next of equal breadth; but the next two zones, the one of water, the other of land, were two stadia, and the one which surrounded the central island was a stadium only in width. The island in which the palace was situated had a diameter of five stadia. “
Plato mix up again diameter of the mountain. The radar image indicates that within the pre-flood island contour (D≈100km) we can observe mysterious central point with size (D≈10km). The radar image proves that central mountain-citadel size should be about fifty stadia.
“country immediately about and surrounding the city was a level plain, itself surrounded by mountains which descended towards the sea; it was smooth and even, and of an oblong shape”.
Radar image indicates the survived city’s smaller level plain only, itself surrounded by mountains which descended towards the sea; it was smooth and even, and of an oblong shape.
Looks like a mistake to use the Greece stadia. The radar image indicates the mysterious smaller island had exactly diameter five hundred (Egyptian-Atlantian) stadia (D=102.5km).
The hill “mountain not very high on any side” around centrtal coordinate (-25,03  :  37,40) indicates the link. http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/survey-azorescontour.html. or at the bottom of the link http://www.cosmogeology.ge/chapter-25.htm   The link indicates that diameter of the central hill (man-made island within sunken citadel) is about 10 km (50 Egyptian-Atlantian stadia). Thus 5 stadia (~1km)  too small for pre-flood political and economical center and is unbelievable. In another case (5stade=500 stadia ) that connected to the whole (~100km) island of the Atlantis city kingdom - one of the 10 kingdoms. The Google map indicates arc, remain of the water and ground rings around sunken citadel and sonar image vividly show remain of the pre-flood canal from pre-flood harbors to the Ocean.
Quote - “Looking towards the sea, but in the centre of the whole island, there was a plain which is said to have been the fairest of all plains and very fertile. Near the plain again, and also in the centre of the island at a distance of about fifty stadia, there was a mountain not very high on any side.”
The mountain not very high on any side has Latitude: 37 :16 N, Longitude: 25 : 03 W. or (-25,03  :  37,40) on the map in the link http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/survey-azorescontour.html. or at the bottom of the link http://www.cosmogeology.ge/chapter-25.htm   The map in the link has small mistake. Real coordinate of the central temple according Google is  37 :16N. Plain around the sunken citadel (Atlantis city) now is partially covered by  thickest volcanic sedimentary layers from surrounded few volcanic mountains over the Sao-Miguel and east undersea volcanic mountains. Thus the sunken citadel on the central hill (-25,03  :  37,40) is surrounded by dormant or extinct volcanic mountain chains! On the Google map (Latitude: 37: 16 N, Longitude: 25 :03 W.)  Around the citadel we can observe even petrified undersea magma rivers from Sao-Miguel and other volcanic mountains, as a zigzag thick lines from the mountain chains to the sunken citadel 30÷40km long.
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« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2009, 12:54:35 AM »
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«The whole country was said by him to be very lofty and precipitous on the side of the sea, but the (another kingdom K.M) country immediately about and surrounding the city was a level plain, itself surrounded by mountains which descended towards the sea; it was smooth and even, and of an oblong shape, extending in one direction three thousand stadia, but across the centre inland it was two thousand stadia. This part of the island looked towards the south, and was sheltered from the north.»
What was the name of the city over the “five stadies” man-made island? Mix up by few sources description of the smaller island kingdom ATLANTIS and larger one is very interesting. Plato did not tell us the name of the golden city (within survived part of the document) but sometimes describes the smaller island kingdom uses name Atlantis and for huge island (Poseidia) - “inland”. 5-stadia man-made island of the city-citadel is too small. One kilometer plane is unbelievable for political and trade centre meanwhile for the centre first World Empire. Some investigator decided that one (Atlantian-Egyptian) stade = 100 stadia. I think this is plausible and connected to the bad translations and lost historical sources as well as part of the “Dialogues”. In this case the (5 stades=500stadia) for one of tenth kingdoms look like quite plausible. Main source for Solon was translated by Egyptian priest(s) from ancient document. It means we have to use Egyptian stadia (1stadia = 205m). This is much more plausible explanation and proved by the sonar measurements. The mix up is understandable. There is description about three islands:
1). Greatest island Poseidia divided by few kingdoms (six as a minimum) and Egyptian priest did not want to disturb Solon to describe what happened there.
2) Small island at the east corner of Poseidia with diameter 102.5 km had been another kingdom and the central city-citadel had been surrounded immediately by level plain.
3). The man-made smaller island of the city-citadel in the centre of small island “There were (man-made rings) two of land and three of water, which he turned as with a lathe, each having its circumference equidistant every way from the centre”.
http://www.cosmogeology.ge/chapter-25.htm


Another passage from Proclus' 5th century AD commentary on the Timaeus gives a description of the geography of Atlantis: "That an island of such nature and size once existed is evident from what is said by certain authors who investigated the things around the outer sea. For according to them, there were seven islands in that sea in their time, sacred to Persephone, and also three others of enormous size, one of which was sacred to Pluto, another to Ammon, and another one between them to Poseidon, the extent of which was a thousand stadia [200 km]; and the inhabitants of it—they add—preserved the remembrance from their ancestors of the immeasurably large island of Atlantis which had really existed there and which for many ages had reigned over all islands in the Atlantic sea and which itself had like-wise been sacred to Poseidon. Now these things Marcellus has written in his Aethiopica".Marcellus remains unidentified. (200km is mistake for The large insula Poseidia which was larger than Ancient Libya and Asia Minor combined or proclus tried to indicate aproximatly size of Atlas’ kingdom.  K.M.)
http://www.cosmogeology.ge/chapter.htm
P.S. Proof in the link http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/survey-azorescontour.html
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« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2009, 09:24:27 AM »
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Ancient sources about Osiris, Isis, Sarasvaty, Oannes are conclusive evidences about their attitudes toward non-Atlanteans.

What makes them conclusive?  How is it impossible they were simply local kings elevated to divine status because anyone who wouldn't say they were gods got a good old-fashioned club to the skull?

"By a route obscure and lonely, Haunted by ill angels only,
Where an Eidolon, named Night, On a black throne reigns upright,
I have reached these lands but newly From an ultimate dim Thule —
From a wild weird clime, that lieth, sublime, Out of Space — out of Time." --Edgar Allen Poe
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Quote - What makes them conclusive?  How is it impossible they were simply local kings elevated to divine status because anyone who wouldn't say they were gods got a good old-fashioned club to the skull?

They are closely connected to the first rulers of the Atlantians colonies. Teaching the primitive people, became their gods. Nothing is strange!
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« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2009, 03:57:12 PM »
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That's speculative, not conclusive.

"By a route obscure and lonely, Haunted by ill angels only,
Where an Eidolon, named Night, On a black throne reigns upright,
I have reached these lands but newly From an ultimate dim Thule —
From a wild weird clime, that lieth, sublime, Out of Space — out of Time." --Edgar Allen Poe
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« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2009, 11:36:32 PM »
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That's speculative, not conclusive.
The historical sources prove that their missions were especially important by comparison others. For millenniums their names had been saved by memory of primitive people as a teacher-gods. I don't believe that the gods came from the other planets and galaxies. The people is creator of their gods.
The historical sources are conclusive for me.
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« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2009, 12:35:23 PM »
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I believe kings and queens demanded the people treat them as (and write tales about them as) gods and goddesses, and killed anyone who wouldn't.  You don't need Atlanteans for that.

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Where an Eidolon, named Night, On a black throne reigns upright,
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« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2009, 02:00:06 PM »
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I believe kings and queens demanded the people treat them as (and write tales about them as) gods and goddesses, and killed anyone who wouldn't.  You don't need Atlanteans for that.

You are right but similar "gods" were forgetting after their die. For millenniumes memory of the people can save their lovely gods only. Dinastic period was wery dificult period in the Egypt. lots of clans of assimilated generation left-handed ans long-fingered race were fighting for power. Each ruler was "god" before the die. This is topic for dissertation, not for the forum list. Before the global flood 12500 years ago Atlantians were rulers of primitive people. These primitive people could treat their rulers as the gods without any demand.
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