If Atlantis had truly existed, then we should be able to make a reasonable assessment of its current location...

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In case you're asking, "So when and how did South America sink" as Ciggy does below, please read my commentary Atlantis: The Continent That Solon Sank.

From all my reading of Atlantis, and I have many books on the subject, I believe the author is getting very close to the truth. This is very good.

Thanks dtheiler and welcome to the forum.

Atlantis: The Land Beyond The Pillars proposes a new theory based solely on Solon's geographical specifications for Atlantis as recorded in Plato's dialogues, Timaeus and Critias. Solon set forth a complex and very specific array of geographical features comprising alignments, relative positioning and dimensions, which limits the site for Atlantis to only one possible location: South America and Argentina's Mesopotamian Plain.

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Not only is Argentina's Mesopotamian Plain the only sizable rectangular plain in the world defined by waterways on all four sides, which is in accordance with Solon's description, its perimeter is only 50 miles off from the stated 1,150-miles, or 10,000 stadia. Further, the plain lies in the center of the continent, is oriented with its narrower width extending from the coast inland, is surrounded by mountains on three sides, but open toward the south, and lies within 14.5 miles of the sea, all per Solon's specifications.

Here's a more complete list of geographical specifications this theory meets which can also be found in the article along with much more detail and further insights:

• A continent sized island (South American 'nesos' [see article for explanation])
• Opposite the Pillars of Hercules (The Strait of Gibraltar) and
• Located in the Atlantic Ocean with
• Associated islands (the Caribbean Islands)
• Forming a distinct path to a continent (North America) at the opposite end.
• Having a lofty precipitous coastline (South America's Brazilian Highlands) transitioning to
• A flat even rectangular plain (Argentina's Mesopotamian Plain)
• Located at the center of the island (center of South American 'nesos')
• Within 14.5-miles of the sea that is
• Delineated on all four sides by channels of water (the Parana and Uruguay rivers) with
• A perimeter of approximately 10,000 stadia (10,455 stadia or 1,200 miles actual. Only 50 miles longer than the specified 10,000 stadia or 1,150 miles.) and
• Oriented with its narrower width extending from the coast inland, and also having
• A climate conducive to biannual harvests.
• Pocketed in by mountains to the west (Andes), north, and east (Brazilian Highlands), but open toward the sea in the south with
• River ways from the surrounding mountain ranges feeding the rivers that flow around the plain, converge, and then empty into the sea in the south. (Rio Pilcomayo, Rio Bermejo, Rio Salado and Rio Dulce flowing down from the Andes in the west. The Parana and Uruguay Rivers dropping down onto the plain from the Brazilian Highlands in the north and the Rio Ibicui, Rio Arapey Grande, and Rio Queguay sourced from smaller mountains in the east, to name just a few.)

There also exists a circular landform positioned per Solon's specifications which measures exactly the diameter of Atlantis' capital city:

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  Figure 15 - Lines A, B, and C represent Solon's specified 14.5-mile distance extending
  between the plain and the sea with a center point at 7.25 miles representing the center point of the
  island city. Lines A and C represent extreme placements where the island city would lie closest to the
  Parana and the confluence of the Parana and Uruguay rivers.  Line B aligns the channel so that the
  center point is equidistant from the Mesopotamian plain and the sea. Multiple other channel placements
  would find the city's center located between these three points along or near arc ABC. Equidistant
  point B mysteriously sits atop a circular landform while line B itself lies near channels of similar
  lengths matching those stated to lead from the plain to the sea.

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  Figure 16 - Satellite image of the circular landform in the Parana Delta (top). Same image (below)
  with a 2.50-mile dimension set with  Google Earth™ to establish scale. The yellow overlain
  rings conform to the concentric rings of Atlantis and have been scaled to the image. While
  the circular landform does not appear to have any demarcations suggesting the existence of
  inner zones, the outside diameter of Atlantis’ outermost land zone at 2.41 miles (21 stadia) is
  an extraordinarily close match with this Parana Delta landform. The waterway surrounding the
  landform also conforms closely to Atlantis’ outer zone of water, which was to have had an
  outside diameter of 3.10 miles (27 stadia).

The delta location would be susceptible to liquefaction during a quake, which could explain why the warlike men are described as having "sank into the earth" and not the sea.



While tsunamis or additional liquefaction saw the city isle completely sinking beneath the sea.

-Doug

some very nice work, i must say

Thanks Dee-Kay. Welcome aboard.

im not 100% yet but i think i may have a few incling's

So when and how did South America sink?

Hello Ciggy,

Hope all is going well.

I posted my response HERE.

-Doug

I'm beginning to wonder, would this kingdom necessarily have been called "Atlantis"?  So much of the legends of Thule point to the region of Iceland, and the "Tulan" of the Mayans and "Aztlan" of the Mexica, is supposed to have been "northeast across the sea" from Central America.  Barring a pole shift, it's difficult to imagine the Aztlan/Tulan homeland of the "TUL-tecs" (A-TUL-anteans, a.k.a. THULEans) having been so blatantly reversed in direction.

But if both kingdoms existed, and the name for one was transposed out of ignorance by the Egyptians, onto the other, that would explain the conflict (as well as the presence of South American cocaine in the mummified remains of Egypt's Pharaohs).

I may actually be able to answer my own question here.

From Chapter 3 of "Atlantis, The Antediluvian World":


It seems this ancient race migrated to a number of places, and everywhere they settled they called "Tulan".  So the South American "Atlantis" may have been one of many "Tulans".

Fascinating...

And further on in that chapter:

So we have a new working hypothesis shaping up here:  that the South American Atlantis was a part of a kingdom known as Xibalba (or Xibalbay), and that Atlan ("City by the Water") was the capital city thereof (the one that sunk and which Solon mistook for the whole continent sinking).  And as a "Tulanic" or "Tultec" city, it would have alternatively been referred to as "a Tulan", that is, a city of Toltec culture.

And by my previous linguistic study, this series of "Tulans" would lead back to a primordial, prehistoric "Turan", the Central Asian steppe, inhabited by those identified in the Persian Shahnameh as the descendants of "Turaj", comprising those of Indo-European ancestry who ruled north of the Oxus (Amu Darya) river.  From there they spread the "Tur" culture which later became the "Tul" or "Tultec" or "Toltec" culture, farther west.  This Central Asian homeland was remembered in Mexica legend as "Hue Hue Tlapalan" (Old Old Red Land), and the homeland of Quetzalcoatl, who, by description, appears quite similar to a proto-Buddhistic mystic or Medean astrologer of some sort.

It all comes together, perhaps a little too perfectly, which means there are flaws to locate, hehe...

I'll check this out further this afternoon.


LOL. Ain't that the truth. I am very familiar with that feeling.
But initially this does looks pretty good.

-Doug

Got to this late so I really haven't had much of an opportunity to do thorough research, but did note this curious similarity within the manuscript notes:


The digitized manuscript can be found here: http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924021067990/cu31924021067990_djvu.txt

-Doug

As expected, that manuscript brings up interesting problems to resolve.   

Have you come across 'Tonatlan' before? And is there any legitimacy in saying that Tonatlan is more 'proper' than Tulan?

I assume these are some of the problems you might be referring to. If so, I'm anxious to see what your research will find... 

-Doug